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The Sony Banhammer on PS3 JailBroken Consoles is Coming?


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224w ago - A few months back it was first reported that a Sony ban wave was imminent, and today DJLO over at PSX-Scene reiterated the fact that it's only a matter of time until Sony begins banning PS3 JailBroken consoles.

To quote: Folks, Sniffynose pointed me to this. Since we are all updating now, you ALL need to read this and pay attention

On boot the system contacts the server and uploads the play list etc. this list alone is enought to get anyone that goes online banned as it shows the bootmanger etc. has been running. Here is the list and what they do, I port sniffed this a while ago before I went online with a retail unit >.> because I am not stupid hehe.

All these need to be blocked, web access will still work, updates will still work, but psn and any system messages/ads/communication will be blocked completely. For other areas someone would have to sniff the addresses again to compare. North American Servers are listed.

fus01.ps3.update.playstation.net > Update Server (sys updates)
mercury.dl.playstation.net > What's new ads
nsx.np.dl.playstation.net > playstation store preview
nsx-e.np.dl.playstation.net > ads
(main file exchange connections)
us.np.stun.playstation.net > on boot initiates connection
ena.net.playstation.net > SSLv3 connection after above connection
dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net > secondary update attempt (could force updates)
auth.np.ac.playstation.net > SSLv3 authentication server
(destination servers)
service.playstation.net (has multiple IPs if only the ip address is blocked)
(Error Reporting)
creepo.ww.hl.playstation.net (uploads crash reports etc.)

Almost all connections cannot just be port blocked, the port will continue to increment until it connects, you have to block the entire domains. Also a big point is that ALL computers on your network need to have these blocked not just the PS3's MAC because if you are running a proxy for example to get patches, the computer you proxy to will just allow the connections right out to the open unless all local IPs are blocked from these sites as well."



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#82 - grubby - 224w ago
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At this point I don't think anyone can absolutely say what it being sent back to Sony (or what info Sony actually keeps) because there are various encrypted connections (SSL) which according to my logs often vary in size each time they are sent. These connections could contain something (or nothing) incriminating.

If we could intercept this data before it is encrypted (ie: before it hits the SSL library) then we might get some answers.

Lately, I change all homebrew title ID's to those of a known game so my pushlists no longer contain ABCD12345, etc. but like many people in the beginning I didn't do this and my logs probably did get sent with homebrew ID's.. But I guess we'll see..

#81 - WKL - 224w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by deanrr View Post
Actually you can simply do FULL SYSTEM RESTORE which will bring your console in original state with no traces of software/games whatsoever. Then update to 3.50 and have fun.

While I realise this is possible the problem is if Sony is going to issue a banhammer for consoles that have sent information to their servers while jailbroken with backup manager then I'm in trouble. While trying to network my console to my computer i accidently had it online and bam, my info has been sent.

If I update to 3.50 even with a clean drive they will still have my PSID having used backup manager and could place me in a ban wave. Then i'm stuck with a console that can't be jailbroken and can't go online. At this stage it looks like i have to spend $500USD for a new console.. yes that is the price for one here in Australia... ridiculous! I'm holding off to see what happens but I do miss playing online.

The question I would like to see answered is what exactly is being sent. Is it just a game list and other annonymous information or is our PSID being sent with it, clearly identifying the console. If there is no PSID being sent then it should be safe to update.

#80 - d3adliner - 224w ago
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But tell me, why does it matter if you get banned?

#79 - neophyte5001 - 224w ago
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When no one fully understands the nature of the info sent when our ps3's "phone home" I for one don't care to find out the hard way. It took me all of 2 min to copy/paste these URL's into my router.

Wanna be one of the first victims when/if someone figures out a way to get us online again? Bury your head in the sand and let your hardware keep telling on you. Problem solved. No offense to anyone who is skeptical but enough time on the 360 scene and you learn to be precautionary.

PPL there found out the hard way about your offline unit logging backups in NAND and then phoning it all in the second you connected. If it takes very little of my time to do why not do it even if it never does any good? Being permabanned is a high price to pay and I'd never stop kicking myself if it turned out preventing it was something that was simple. IMHO it pays to err on the side of caution.

#78 - d3adliner - 224w ago
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This entire thing is blown out of proportion. Banhammer? When we can't get online anyway? Ban from game updates? Then just install them as pkgs.

Problem solved.

#77 - GrandpaHomer - 224w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by peepoop View Post
Because if you happen to miss putting a server on the blacklist, you can get banned.

If you miss putting a server on a whitelist, the worst that can happen is a game will just fail to update. It's much safer.


Good point there - I was looking at this mainly from the point of view how many links and most of all how often you'd need to maintain the list other way around. Also - you can't be ever sure that all the server requests sent out by PS3 during the game update are related only (or purely) to the update itself so while you'll be trying to make the update work by enabling one server after another you can still accidentaly enable one of the "snooping" ones and get in troubles anyway.

Let's say that PS3 will try to reach 4 different URLs during the game update - this gives you already 16 (or let's say 15) combinations of enabled and disabled addresses. With 5 URLs this numer basically doubles to 31 and so on and would be quite pain doing all this every time you'd like to update the game.

Other option is to simply disable HTTPS communication / port for your PS3 as both PSN login as well as most of the spying transfers is encrypted or pass it via customize proxy and simply block / throw away all SSL communication.

#76 - peepoop - 224w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by GrandpaHomer View Post
Why it would be less "silly" than doing it other way around? IMO there would be more servers for updates than those to block ...


Because if you happen to miss putting a server on the blacklist, you can get banned.

If you miss putting a server on a whitelist, the worst that can happen is a game will just fail to update. It's much safer.

I understand what you're trying to do and appreciate your work on assembling the blacklist, but going the other direction seems like a better idea to me.

#75 - Djhg2000 - 224w ago
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What worries me is the possibilities of forced updates, I don't want to loose my 3.15! If I do I'll probably sue Sony for forcing an update which removes an advertised feature.

Edit: Don't get me wrong though, my console has never been jailbroken, I just want Linux.

#74 - ghorricks - 224w ago
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Its unlikely Sony will do anything to harm your console more than they already do (no going online). In certain countries it would be illegal for them to alter the working condition of your console without your agreement. Sure - they could probably put a message up on screen saying that you must upgrade to 3.50 etc, but they already do that.

Seriously think about it... they already have a system to get "sheep" to upgrade past 3.41... they would have already made their move if they could have done so.

Just think about it... Yes, your PS3 connect to Sony's servers.... why?? To check for firmware updates and remind you to update... any other reason? No.

Really... You all know Sont have had the most secure console since launch and they would do anything to keep it that way.... why all the court action and involve the law if they can simply use some sort of Ban Hammer??

There is no BAN HAMMER with Sony.... You just cannot get on PSN without updating firmware...

Just think about it some more before getting carried away by someone who see's communication between your PS3 and Sony and jums to conclusions... No need to thank me for pointing it out to you all.

#73 - deank - 224w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by WKL View Post
I was just thinking about updating my firmware to 3.50 and going jailbreak free from next month but now I'm worried I'll update and get stuck with a console that can't be jailbroken and can't go online either >< Now to see if I can sell my console to someone who wants a jailbroken one.


Actually you can simply do FULL SYSTEM RESTORE which will bring your console in original state with no traces of software/games whatsoever. Then update to 3.50 and have fun.

 

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