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PlayStation 3 Retail, Demo, and Debug Consoles - Oh My!

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319w ago - Many people have been wondering exactly what the differences are between Development and Retail PlayStation 3 Systems, and we figured now would be a great time to clarify these along with reporting some new findings.

Aside from the different hardware revisions of the PS3's motherboard, the systems are virtually the same as mentioned in previous posts. We have examined multiple PS3 TEST's, Retail PS3's, Demo Unit PS3's, and even Factory Mode PS3's, and found that there are no hardware differences between them at all.

Mind you, there are differences, but they are due to the hardware revision, not due to the systems themselves. To make that more clear, the units are identical to their counterparts of the same hardware revision.

So, the question is- what's the difference? Software!

We all know the difference is in the software, and after examining countless dumps from these systems, on top of flash dumps given to us by you, our loyal readers awhile back, here is some feedback.

We have found that on each system which carries the same PS3 Firmware, that the majority of the software is actually identical. That's right, the same hypervisor, and the same kernel too!

To be honest, at first we thought we were wrong, but it turned out- that wasn't the case! Most of the differences in configuration are done essentially via flags.

Now, we can't change these flags yet for two reasons. First off, the few we know about are encrypted and can't be changed without resigning the EID... which is a ways off. Secondly, we have yet to find them all to date, but it's being worked on!

For example: A PS3 TEST, before 1.60 could install retail packages, but after 1.60 could not anymore. We initially believed that it was due to the removal of the retail package decryption keys, however, that was not the case.

Upon examination, the retail keys were still present well after 1.60! So, this could very well mean that the system detects exactly what type of system it is, and then performs the appropriate requested task.

This is also supported by the "hybrid" PS3 Retail/Test Firmwares, and explains why they work, but don't function properly. The XMB menus are "commonly updated" across the board, so that's no big surprise, however its the backend code we are interested in.

Recently ggparallel managed to install a PS3 TOOL Firmware update on a PS3 TEST with no ill effects, and it did not enable any extra "TOOL" related functionality, however, it did not disable any TEST functionality- it still worked just like a TEST.

With what being said, since we know that the "upper level" code is the same on every PS3, it's quite possible that all of the code enabling Debug functions is indeed present on a Retail System, and just needs said detection bit flags thrown to enable them... more to come!

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#32 - Warrorar - 314w ago
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if there is not realy a difference why isnt it enough to change the software?
do the system blocks a installation of another software?

and i am wondering about at the moment, are there any informations about the group which tried to hack the ps3 with these chip in the wireless controller?

because that was interesting.

#31 - XVISTAMAN2005 - 314w ago
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well swaping the flash would not work if you change the motherboard with a reatil one then you have changed the system you also have to be shure that you get the bd drive contoller and wireless card with the new motherboard as they are married to each other and not swapable from system.

#30 - iguanajm - 314w ago
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So I'm curious if the encrypted flags is what causes problems when going from a demo unit to retail firmware. Would de-soldering the flash from a (yellow light) motherboard work? Or if I found a fully functional motherboard would a simple replacement work?

#29 - pockets69 - 315w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by CJPC View Post
No Thanksgiving update this year- the DEV's fell asleep after eating too much turkey!

But rest assured, the DEV's are busy at work, as plains203 said, they did a great job with the PS3 Security!

Lol ok thanks for the answer... keep up the good work and don't eat to much turkey :P

#28 - CJPC - 316w ago
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No Thanksgiving update this year- the DEV's fell asleep after eating too much turkey!

But rest assured, the DEV's are busy at work, as plains203 said, they did a great job with the PS3 Security!


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