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PS3 Hacker KaKaRoToKS Interviewed, Says 3.60 Solution Coming


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182w ago - Today Myce.com (linked above) interviewed PS3 hacker KaKaRoToKS, who states that a PS3 Firmware 3.60 solution is indeed coming after reports and videos of a 3.60 JailBreak running code circulated last week.

Below is the the KaKaRoToKS interview in full, to quote:

What are your thoughts on the recent PS3 3.60 firmware cracking video that was uploaded and removed over the course of a day last week? Many dubbed it fake and said it was a debug PS3, but when we chatted with the guy who uploaded it he defended it as real and said it was a retail unit.

I’ve seen the videos, and I also talked to the people who did it. Whether it’s fake or not, I cannot tell as I have not been authorized by the authors to divulge what they did. All I can say is that they said they would never release it, so whether it’s fake or not has no importance, since in the end no one will have access to it.

However, as I’ve said to a few people on Twitter, the hack that was used on 3.55 and lower was unique and Sony fixed it. So, that’s finished and we can’t use that method anymore, but it doesn’t mean that there are no other methods to jailbreak. A solution for 3.60+ will be available soon, so no worries — people just need to be patient.

Most people associate “hacking” with “piracy.” You admit to taking steps to lock out piracy. Is that getting lost in the shuffle here? People assume “hacking” automatically means “pirating.” It seems like piracy is often a “necessary evil” that comes along with the process but then overtakes any other points.

There are four words that people keep confusing: “hacker,” “cracker,” “pirate” and “cheater.” But it’s not the same thing at all.

A hacker is basically someone who “innovates and finds solutions to a problem.” A cracker is someone who uses his skills to steal, scam or harm others. A pirate is someone who just steals copyrighted works without paying for it. And a cheater is someone who uses other’s skills in order to cheat in games and thinks he’s awesome for clicking on a button.

Yes, people unfortunately associate a hacker with a pirate, but it’s not the case at all. In my case for example, I’ve never pirated a PS3 game. I have bought over 150 games for my PS3 in the last 3 years, and I don’t think any of the hackers in the scene want piracy to happen. We all just want to find challenges and bring back the freedom that we are meant to have on our machines.

Piracy isn’t a “necessary evil.” It’s not necessary at all. The only reason piracy happened on the ps3 is because Sony were arrogant and they thought no one could get inside the PS3. But once you install a homebrew application, it has full access to everything. There is no protection inside the PS3 to prevent piracy. The only protection they have is to prevent you from installing a “non-authorized” application. If they secured the PS3 internally, piracy would probably never have happened because no one skilled enough to hack the PS3 would spend time on it!

We take steps to avoid piracy, but in the end, there’s always someone who will implement “backups support”, which is legitimate in many countries but unfortunately used for piracy too.

What has been the public’s reaction to your recent work on cracking the PS3’s firmware? Is it equal amounts scorn and appreciation? Are you getting hate mail from fanboys?

I do get/see hate mail, but it’s quite minimal. There was a huge reaction of appreciation and happiness. Recently though I’m seeing a lot of “stupidity” and “annoyance” : people asking everyday about a 3.60 CFW even though I’ve said 1,000 times that I’m not working on that.

Do you think GeoHot/FailOverflow’s PS3 jailbreaking will have an industry-wide impact come the next round of game consoles? If so, how? Any predictions on how Sony might try to block hacking in the future?

Yes, I think it will. For one, I think that the industry will try harder to make the consoles more secure. Sony will probably try to hire a real security expert, because as we’ve seen from Fail0verflow’s analysis the PS3 was not secure at all. It almost looks like they hired 5-year-olds to build their security! The Cell processor’s architecture is secure however, since IBM designed it, but in terms of implementation of security by Sony, they completely failed.

Honestly, the only reason the PS3 wasn’t hacked earlier is because it supported Linux from the start. Because of how arrogant Sony was – boasting about their unbreakable security – a lot of hackers abandoned it even before trying.

The one effect I’m looking forward to from the Geohot lawsuit is that I believe it will bring attention to the hacking community from the lawmakers in the U.S. and that jailbreaking a game console will be made legal — just like what happened with the iPhone.

Do you believe it’s futile at this point for Sony to combat the hacking?

Yes, it’s futile. Their code is full of bugs, and they can’t fix it fast enough. We have full access to the machines and we will keep creating solutions to whatever they come up with. However, it is understandable that they want to protect their investment and they will of course continue to fight.

I think the only solution for them to close this whole issue is if they bring back Linux support with full hardware access and add a new protection against piracy inside the PS3 so even if a homebrew application is installed it wouldn’t be allowed to do piracy. Then, they will have secured their system, because we’d have no more reason to try to hack it and all the hackers would simply stop.

Considering their reaction to the scene (suing geohot, grafchokolo and others, sending threats to every hacker and trying to enforce the message ‘if you touch your own property, we’ll make your life hell’, they got a lot of people pissed at their scare tactics. I think some people will try to get revenge anyways, so maybe it’s too late for them.

We already saw one hacker who was offered a job by SCEA (Ed: Android hacker Koushik Dutta) and refused it because of their reaction to the community, and a lot of people are now boycotting Sony. They are already getting payback thanks to their poor community skills. Of course they’ll just blame the loss of sales on piracy, but they should really think of the fact that most of their losses will not be because of piracy but a reaction to their tactics.

How did you feel when your name was listed in a legal motion by Sony for a Twitter subpoena?

Well, I must say it wasn’t a happy feeling. I was quite pissed at Sony for trying to get information on me knowing quite well that they already know all there is to know.

All information about me – my name, email address, where I live and what my job is – are well known already, so I saw no point in them doing that. And considering that all my tweets are public, it makes no sense.

What pissed me off the most was about the Paypal subpoena, because that contains more personal information: credit card information, bank accounts, addresses, etc. But not for me; it was about getting that information from anyone I have had contact with through Paypal. I use Paypal for personal transactions, with friends and family, and having that kind of information sent to Sony simply because they want to screw with us is completely unacceptable. It violates my basic privacy rights as well as the rights of many unrelated people.

Seeing that got me a bit scared of course, but I’d say that mostly it got me very angry. I was thankful to see the judge quash their subpoena. I do not agree to my personal information, as well as the personal information of my friends, to be made available to a corporation like Sony.

Would the allure of hacking games consoles disappear if, as you predict, hacking them becomes legal under the DMCA? Or do you believe that would lead to more interest in hacking them?

I don’t think it would change anything. On the contrary, it might give the opportunity to those who are scared of Sony to actually step up and provide their help.

I don’t think anyone is hacking the games consoles because it’s supposedly illegal under the DMCA. It’s not about going against the system, or revolting. It’s more about freedom and about tinkering with our property– learning and gaining knowledge.




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cfwprophet's Avatar
#351 - cfwprophet - 137w ago
The scene isn't dead it is stuck. I know from some underground dev on what they are working on but i have no permission to call it here. One big problem the ps3 scene have is to hint information. Nabnab talked to kaka via twitter about turning a 4.0 ps3 into a full debug one and guess what ? Kakaroto knows that !!!

Yea sure and what about the 360 scene ? Is C4E (hail to you man) not working on piracy stuff ? Or all others they have made backups and a hacked con eg via gligli possible not working on piracy ?

The so called dev's in ps3 scene seems to have the EGO HOT syndrome. Hinting infos for them an not give out to the scene. Some one said they are afraid of that sony will patch the possibility of using the debugger as a mode for games and among other stuff when they release. Does the average user really believe this ?

Hell sony have developed this sys and know better then some one else in this stuck scene how it make those games work. So why hinting this infos ? = EGO HOT syndrome. Just to have it for them self and laughing about the scene or just for them self and how good they are.

I can't really say whats the reason for but for sure not in case of being afraid off that sony will patch it. If they want to patch then they do and not in case of it gets public released.

They patched things in past without something useable was released. Also nabnab got a message from some one not to be called here that he should stop his work. Yea sure we will stop only in case of this person tell us/him to do so.

On some points a lot of dev's in the ps3 scene think they are god's or better then the average user. We are all the same it's not a matter of the color of your skin and also it's not a matter if you're a normal user or a hacker or a coder, scriptor, modder or what ever.

We all deserve the same and no one have the right's to milk some one other with stuff that should be free.

Hail to grafchockolo and shame to the one that use his work to milk the average user and also shame to all others that hinting informations.

Bartholomy's Avatar
#350 - Bartholomy - 137w ago
Hail.. Was it useful for a progress? Culturally talking, amazing to read. But.... So? What he meant is "scene is dead, if you're a dev feel free to go M$" or what?

sharks's Avatar
#349 - sharks - 137w ago
Great effort by KaKaRoToKS to write this guide for everyone! The scene seriously needs more people like him!! All Hail KaKaRoToKS!!

huseen9's Avatar
#348 - huseen9 - 137w ago
thanks for the update.

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#347 - Nabnab - 137w ago
I didn't judge KaKaRoToKS, i said maybe that he have the own reason to stop, i don't want to judge him or anyone else but too much PS3 users want to see the new keys etc... and it's not the only way to exploit the PS3 and have also better alternative and more interesting when you know that we don't need this keys... the PS3 Scene have more tools and more information about the PS3 than the XBOX/Wii Scene...

I know that i repeat many times Graf offer big stuff about the PS3, the only one who was thinking release public the work (a person recently contact me to tell me some interesting stuff about PS3dev wiki and other dev on the PS3 scene, that they like to keep secret or share work from other), even Sony offer the best door to exploit the PS3 but it look like that some devs prefer to make business with free stuff and after we ask why Sony make some bad action (actually i didn't see anyone going to the jail and it would never happen for that)

I know it's so annoying to wait something you are waiting for a long time but unfortunately some dev don't know the definition share and like to make business with that, also they make crappy code or steal code from other dev that share for free and put on a dongle with stupid drm to hide the crappy work and scared to see the PS3 users complaining about that.

You know i stop some my work not related to the PS3, just to come give help and i saw the last few weeks many insult from the PS3 users and even the PS Vita users lol, also see some dev good lie to distract the PS3 users and said don't trust him to hide the real information from different website of the PS3 hack, i saw some website respectful and other website that judge a person they don't even know and try to make some fire for nothing...

The Truth Behind the Lie

I always try to do my best to help people on the PC community, i make alternative driver, patch for games, mods... many of this work was released for free and i was working alone on it, i received so many thanks than i didn't expected that much and also some good insult... but the world is like that and you can't change it, you can make it better but don't change it .

I keep working and let you know all what i'm trying to do.

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