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PS3 Hacker KaKaRoToKS Interviewed, Says 3.60 Solution Coming


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174w ago - Today Myce.com (linked above) interviewed PS3 hacker KaKaRoToKS, who states that a PS3 Firmware 3.60 solution is indeed coming after reports and videos of a 3.60 JailBreak running code circulated last week.

Below is the the KaKaRoToKS interview in full, to quote:

What are your thoughts on the recent PS3 3.60 firmware cracking video that was uploaded and removed over the course of a day last week? Many dubbed it fake and said it was a debug PS3, but when we chatted with the guy who uploaded it he defended it as real and said it was a retail unit.

I’ve seen the videos, and I also talked to the people who did it. Whether it’s fake or not, I cannot tell as I have not been authorized by the authors to divulge what they did. All I can say is that they said they would never release it, so whether it’s fake or not has no importance, since in the end no one will have access to it.

However, as I’ve said to a few people on Twitter, the hack that was used on 3.55 and lower was unique and Sony fixed it. So, that’s finished and we can’t use that method anymore, but it doesn’t mean that there are no other methods to jailbreak. A solution for 3.60+ will be available soon, so no worries — people just need to be patient.

Most people associate “hacking” with “piracy.” You admit to taking steps to lock out piracy. Is that getting lost in the shuffle here? People assume “hacking” automatically means “pirating.” It seems like piracy is often a “necessary evil” that comes along with the process but then overtakes any other points.

There are four words that people keep confusing: “hacker,” “cracker,” “pirate” and “cheater.” But it’s not the same thing at all.

A hacker is basically someone who “innovates and finds solutions to a problem.” A cracker is someone who uses his skills to steal, scam or harm others. A pirate is someone who just steals copyrighted works without paying for it. And a cheater is someone who uses other’s skills in order to cheat in games and thinks he’s awesome for clicking on a button.

Yes, people unfortunately associate a hacker with a pirate, but it’s not the case at all. In my case for example, I’ve never pirated a PS3 game. I have bought over 150 games for my PS3 in the last 3 years, and I don’t think any of the hackers in the scene want piracy to happen. We all just want to find challenges and bring back the freedom that we are meant to have on our machines.

Piracy isn’t a “necessary evil.” It’s not necessary at all. The only reason piracy happened on the ps3 is because Sony were arrogant and they thought no one could get inside the PS3. But once you install a homebrew application, it has full access to everything. There is no protection inside the PS3 to prevent piracy. The only protection they have is to prevent you from installing a “non-authorized” application. If they secured the PS3 internally, piracy would probably never have happened because no one skilled enough to hack the PS3 would spend time on it!

We take steps to avoid piracy, but in the end, there’s always someone who will implement “backups support”, which is legitimate in many countries but unfortunately used for piracy too.

What has been the public’s reaction to your recent work on cracking the PS3’s firmware? Is it equal amounts scorn and appreciation? Are you getting hate mail from fanboys?

I do get/see hate mail, but it’s quite minimal. There was a huge reaction of appreciation and happiness. Recently though I’m seeing a lot of “stupidity” and “annoyance” : people asking everyday about a 3.60 CFW even though I’ve said 1,000 times that I’m not working on that.

Do you think GeoHot/FailOverflow’s PS3 jailbreaking will have an industry-wide impact come the next round of game consoles? If so, how? Any predictions on how Sony might try to block hacking in the future?

Yes, I think it will. For one, I think that the industry will try harder to make the consoles more secure. Sony will probably try to hire a real security expert, because as we’ve seen from Fail0verflow’s analysis the PS3 was not secure at all. It almost looks like they hired 5-year-olds to build their security! The Cell processor’s architecture is secure however, since IBM designed it, but in terms of implementation of security by Sony, they completely failed.

Honestly, the only reason the PS3 wasn’t hacked earlier is because it supported Linux from the start. Because of how arrogant Sony was – boasting about their unbreakable security – a lot of hackers abandoned it even before trying.

The one effect I’m looking forward to from the Geohot lawsuit is that I believe it will bring attention to the hacking community from the lawmakers in the U.S. and that jailbreaking a game console will be made legal — just like what happened with the iPhone.

Do you believe it’s futile at this point for Sony to combat the hacking?

Yes, it’s futile. Their code is full of bugs, and they can’t fix it fast enough. We have full access to the machines and we will keep creating solutions to whatever they come up with. However, it is understandable that they want to protect their investment and they will of course continue to fight.

I think the only solution for them to close this whole issue is if they bring back Linux support with full hardware access and add a new protection against piracy inside the PS3 so even if a homebrew application is installed it wouldn’t be allowed to do piracy. Then, they will have secured their system, because we’d have no more reason to try to hack it and all the hackers would simply stop.

Considering their reaction to the scene (suing geohot, grafchokolo and others, sending threats to every hacker and trying to enforce the message ‘if you touch your own property, we’ll make your life hell’, they got a lot of people pissed at their scare tactics. I think some people will try to get revenge anyways, so maybe it’s too late for them.

We already saw one hacker who was offered a job by SCEA (Ed: Android hacker Koushik Dutta) and refused it because of their reaction to the community, and a lot of people are now boycotting Sony. They are already getting payback thanks to their poor community skills. Of course they’ll just blame the loss of sales on piracy, but they should really think of the fact that most of their losses will not be because of piracy but a reaction to their tactics.

How did you feel when your name was listed in a legal motion by Sony for a Twitter subpoena?

Well, I must say it wasn’t a happy feeling. I was quite pissed at Sony for trying to get information on me knowing quite well that they already know all there is to know.

All information about me – my name, email address, where I live and what my job is – are well known already, so I saw no point in them doing that. And considering that all my tweets are public, it makes no sense.

What pissed me off the most was about the Paypal subpoena, because that contains more personal information: credit card information, bank accounts, addresses, etc. But not for me; it was about getting that information from anyone I have had contact with through Paypal. I use Paypal for personal transactions, with friends and family, and having that kind of information sent to Sony simply because they want to screw with us is completely unacceptable. It violates my basic privacy rights as well as the rights of many unrelated people.

Seeing that got me a bit scared of course, but I’d say that mostly it got me very angry. I was thankful to see the judge quash their subpoena. I do not agree to my personal information, as well as the personal information of my friends, to be made available to a corporation like Sony.

Would the allure of hacking games consoles disappear if, as you predict, hacking them becomes legal under the DMCA? Or do you believe that would lead to more interest in hacking them?

I don’t think it would change anything. On the contrary, it might give the opportunity to those who are scared of Sony to actually step up and provide their help.

I don’t think anyone is hacking the games consoles because it’s supposedly illegal under the DMCA. It’s not about going against the system, or revolting. It’s more about freedom and about tinkering with our property– learning and gaining knowledge.




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Bartholomy's Avatar
#366 - Bartholomy - 129w ago
I agree about the past. But today Sony is what i wrote.

They are on DMCA mode , for everything. They sent a DMCA to Gary Wayne Bowser (aka Garyopa) too, just because his website was hosting some OFW and CFW, go figure what kind of trash is now this company people daily support buying their products. Look the last EULA. THEIR product now is untouchable. For the reasons you wrote, agree. Their image was damaged. They lost and every day are at risk of losing contracts, and games could disappear. Looking the last big fails of this company, with PSPGO and now PSVITA, if they lose their face a spit more, Sony can fail.

You know what? They will not shrink. Devs will, a lawyer and it's done. Do you remember that guy who was going to release a new PSN method for go online? Guess what happened to him.. Noone saw his release, we just saw his life gone. I admire your work. Just be sure nothing will happen to both of you. Losing both of you, this scene will not be struck. Will just disappear. And what will remain will be just a commercial dongle..

cfwprophet's Avatar
#365 - cfwprophet - 129w ago
I have to clarify a missunderstood of me. Nabnab didn't take to kaka he just have read his post that shows on twitter and that kakarotoks have a debug console which was a retail one befrore.

Not that some one spread this on the web and produce a new drama with it. We dono need more drama's. We all in scene need to calm done a bit and try to make this scene good again

Nabnab's Avatar
#364 - Nabnab - 129w ago
Actually Sony never complaining about any hack/piracy if you check it correctly, it's just a different think happen on the PS3, it's because with some monster ego dev and weird PS3 users, the people claim, it was easy to hack the PS3 (when is not, all come from internal Sony stuff) so badly, download games and insult the Sony company.

On a way, i can understand Sony, because they didn't really attack any users or dev on the PSone/PS2/PSP, when i see some people claim Geohot do so good stuff, i was claiming he does completely the inverse of what i real dev will do... when you a dev/hacker like that, you never claim something from that way and all what Geohot did, it was a completely a mistake.

He didn't find anything => the stuff was from the past and it was a surprise for him that the PS3 have a PPC and that you need to code in C (he had a PS3 and don't know it), just to clarify something, ok it's intelligent but he never find any exploit on Apple product or any Sony product, it was not him, it was other dev that find exploit and use work from other to be in the top of everything, he release stuff that not supposed to be release => need to ask the owner before it.

Just do a small research of PS3 scene, Geohot etc... he make the piracy/hack a f.... commercial and every he claim he can push out Sony before they do this action.

Have a misunderstood about the Sony Action, i don't defend Sony for other stuff they made but it's clearly a misunderstood, Why Sony do this ? it's because of all the pub/insult they have received from the PS3 Scene, touching too much the company, etc... also they didn't give warning to the PS3 users but to the guy who claimed so much stuff that he did not.

Remember that Sony = Company, they need to make money but have also human person who work, they can be fired just for that... take the place of the worker who work in here, if you want to hack, do piracy, it's your problem, you can do it but i never seen in my life a person who claimed like Geohot or some people that they did something like that to make only piss off Sony.

I check the past and i see no action from Sony, just try to make the product better
I check the past and i see no action from Microsoft (only ban, so ?) also if you check how much Windows was pirated, Microsoft don't really care, this make good pub for the company
I check the past and i see no action from Nintendo (only try to stop the card) but they have reason, did you see the peace of crap R4, etc ?...

I mean come on, don't be paranoia, they didn't have really action from any company to a person, the only think about it was for people who make money with stuff that is free and also some mistake

I don't support the company that close the product like that but it's also a challenge for the dev/hacker that make sense but apparently we lost all that and it's more about make money with free stuff and be famour to be on every web tv channel etc...

Who talked about it when you have actually a PS3 completely open with a CFW (do you imagine that we can do everything we want) and also who talk about ECDSA ? Kakarotoks said the way he find to make a HEN was not possible because of that but he didn't say all
and also said he don't want to waste the time... but anyway why you talk about him in here ?

and why waste that much time on that than work on something else, if you try to stop some of the work, you waste your time.
i already showed that we can do something on 4.0 and i don't need any keys for that, have already the tool, source and everything.

CS67700's Avatar
#363 - CS67700 - 129w ago
Kakaro said it would take an eternity to brute force it, even with a huge team (he said something like 4000 peoples everyday ?).
Forget it, you can't brute ECDS ....

Hopefully it will be hacked one day, but not soon ..

hawkY's Avatar
#362 - hawkY - 129w ago
BS man... wtf are you talking about anyway ??

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