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Rumor: PS3 US Shipments Now on the Verge of Being Seized


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204w ago - As a follow-up to our previous article on PS3 EU shipments being seized as a result of an LG injunction, today GamersDailyNews.com (linked above) reports that PlayStation 3 US shipments are also be on the verge of being seized.

To quote: "In the US, the International Trade Commission has agreed to look into the matter. Four patents are included in complaint and they cover both the PS3 and certain Bravia televisions.

LG is asking to ban sale of the devices in the US market which could provide extremely detrimental to Sony’s bottom line. While this is most likely a scare tactic to get Sony to settle, their injunction win in the EU seems to have emboldened LG and seems there is some truth to their claims.

The ITC is known to take its time in getting round to things and this could see a decision in 16-18 months according to Foss Patents, who also alerted GDN to the ITC vote to look into the complaints. Thank you Florian.

According to [Register or Login to view links]: The ITC just announced that it voted to look into both complaints in one consolidated investigation. The new investigation number is 337-TA-764. As the ITC pointed out, this is just the launch of an investigation - not a decision on the merits of the complaints. The ITC previously also voted to investigate a Sony complaint against LG, as I reported a month ago. I haven’t seen any case in which a complaint lodged by one major company against another would have been dismissed at this early stage.

The USITC will make a final determination in the investigation at the earliest practicable time. Within 45 days after institution of the investigation, the USITC will set a target date for completing the investigation. USITC remedial orders in section 337 cases are effective when issued and become final 60 days after issuance unless disapproved for policy reasons by the U.S. Trade Representative within that 60-day period.

The filings cite the following companies: Sony Corporation of Japan, New York City-based Sony Corporation of America, and Sony Electronics, Inc. of San Diego, California.

The PS3 complaint also includes: Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. ("SCE") of Japan and Sony Computer Entertainment America, LLC ("SCEA") which are already under investigation by the ITC for patent infringement.

The two companies really seem to dislike each other as they are already fighting over smartphones that Sony alleged LG is using their patented tech in.

Florian Mueller states that the EU ban is only for the Netherlands, which is the main entry point for imports to the continent and that Sony could easily slip past it in his [Register or Login to view links] article.

Patent solicitor Michael Coyle, of law firm Lawdit, told the BBC, "It [LG] will have to pay an astonishing amount of money if a judge rules that its patent is invalid. When a firm seeks to have goods seized they make an undertaking to pay for storage and compensation."

Then again, if it is valid, Sony would have a hefty fee to pay as VGChartz estimates 48.2 million PS3s sold to date worldwide. That would be a lot of backed up royalties to have to pay. I couldn’t find any numbers of sales for the Bravia televisions. Sooner or later the companies will probably settle this with one paying the other some fairly large amount of money. Since Sony is suing LG over smartphones they might get a smaller settlement for that and end up paying LG if all the patents hold up. LG sold 7 million smartphones in 2010 and 4 million in 2009 according to [Register or Login to view links]."




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#35 - saviour07 - 204w ago
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I did say that initially...

#34 - barrybarryk - 204w ago
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lol ban the console? do you guys even listen to your selves?

This kind of think happens all the time, its just your normal run of the mill patent dispute. Nothing is going to happen at all that affects consumers

#33 - saviour07 - 204w ago
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I don't mind answering questions, even if you are being sarcastic about it. After thinking about both questions, I don't think they are mutually exclusive and can be answered in the same breathe...

The fact is that just because a console is hacked doesn't mean that 100% of people who buy that console will actually hack it or even pirate games for it, so developers will continue to make games for profit.
I don't believe piracy kills a consoles life and so dev's are going to continue to work with it until it becomes unprofitable - think psp.

The point I was making though is that "wishing doom" on Sony and hoping that these seizures stick will affect all consumers because if there is no PS3's being sold (or the console is banned entirely) then why would developers want to make games for it, and even those that choose to will not make it to a standard of quality such as Metal Gear 4, Killzone 2/3, Uncharted etc.

I don't expect game developers to move profession because of console's being hacked or PC games being bypassed, but I don't expect them to make a quality game for that platform once it has been hacked for a smaller profit - and I think that kind of questioning displays the same narrow mindedness and quite possibly lack of common sense when it comes to an issue where there isn't a definitive answer.

#32 - croft72 - 204w ago
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First of all you are barking up the wrong tree. I was stating the way I felt about their way of handling last year's situation. Ever since the Super NES days I have always been one to purchase US, UK or Japanese games or systems and still do with my hard earned money. I own a Japanese 60gig PS3 that is not modified in any way.

I understand what you were saying about seeing all of this from Sony's side as well as the consumer's side. The thought running Linux on the PS3 was an awesome idea to me so when they decided to remove it then of course I wasn't pleased especially since I payed $600 for the system at launch.

If 90% of the people all have JB PS3's then I'm part of the 10% who don't. The reason I've been visiting this site since 2006 is because its always been on top of everything for games and systems more than many other sites would. Whether it was covering news about legit or modified subject matter for any of these consoles I was and still do find it interesting. I am not trying to make an argument or conflict about this.

#31 - GrandpaHomer - 204w ago
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Ok - so can you tell us / explain:

1. How come there are still new games being developed (and most of all SOLD in large numbers) for all other ages ago hacked consoles (not even mentioning PCs)?

2. Where exactly do you expect to Developers to move to as there is NO other (widely spred) gaming platform (both console and PC / MAC) not being hacked? Or do you expect them to move to another profession??

Quote Originally Posted by saviour07 View Post
Sony relies on other companys (read: Developers) to make money and keep that product successful

Ever heard of In House development / 1st party games?

Indeed - not every game is developed like that but a sizeable amount of top titles is and after that other developers will jump on the bandwagon (or simply stay) anyway.

#30 - Madpacman - 204w ago
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I was thinking this same thing today - about the aspect of the closed system being fruitful through developers who have to trust the platform. I personally don't blame them for getting upset, but I DO think they're being overly aggressive. We'll see what their hardware approach is soon.

Don't care they need to try harder!!! The laws aren't preventing anything the greed is.

I understand fully but I know that if too company's want something it can happen overnight. As I told the last person stop trying to defend this lameass company.

Everything they've done up to now has not worked and they continue with same strategies thats given Nintendo and Microsoft huge sells. And since this is about SONY being removed from the shelves good riddance. I've got two PS3 and lots of old PS2 games to use.

#29 - moja - 204w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by saviour07 View Post
Did you read my link? It kinda explains why it takes so long, or if at all, a release of a ps1 classic actually comes to fruition. Licencing laws are going to be different in various parts of the world, UK/EU and US have differing laws from each other just as the Asian regions do. Also the article explains that there's a certain level of standard that needs to be met in terms of QA and porting a title will obviously have it's defects and problems which can hinder or even halt the games release.

I was thinking this same thing today - about the aspect of the closed system being fruitful through developers who have to trust the platform. I personally don't blame them for getting upset, but I DO think they're being overly aggressive. We'll see what their hardware approach is soon.

#28 - azoreseuropa - 204w ago
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I hope so. Sony is going to pay! Sony is selfish and heartless. DISGUSTING!

#27 - saviour07 - 204w ago
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Did you read my link? It kinda explains why it takes so long, or if at all, a release of a ps1 classic actually comes to fruition. Licencing laws are going to be different in various parts of the world, UK/EU and US have differing laws from each other just as the Asian regions do. Also the article explains that there's a certain level of standard that needs to be met in terms of QA and porting a title will obviously have it's defects and problems which can hinder or even halt the games release.

I'm not defending Sony but it's boring and annoying me hearing people bitch moan about Sony being this evil giant money making customer hating back stabbing corporation because they removed OtherOS when people were trying to use it as a backdoor into the system and then because they decided to sue everyone who did exploit the system, as if that's not what you would do if someone exploited your hardware.

Boycot Sony and their products if you feel that way but at the end of the day we (and I say "we" because 90% of the people on this forum will have a JB PS3) have exploited a products security.

Whether it's our property to exploit or not (and I'm one of those who believe that once you've bought it, then you can do what you want with it) the company who has produced that system needs to be seen as being proactive in fighting for that security and holding those responsible accountable for their actions, because Sony relies on other companys (read: Developers) to make money and keep that product successful, and if they can't keep the dev's trust in the product then they lose that success.

You feel like you've been screwed over by Sony... you screwed Sony over by JB your PS3.

#26 - croft72 - 204w ago
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Wow, talk about the phrase, "What goes around, comes around." Whoever thought that Sony themselves would have to be concerned about being banned. lol...

But seriously, I always did like the PS3 and still do. My only complaint to Sony was the removal of "OtherOS" last year seeing that I own a 60gig system. Most of last year's updates were for removing something from the PS3 or security patches. If there were any updates that gave you good useful features of enjoyment on the PS3 there were not many in my opinion.

 

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