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    Quote Originally Posted by xUb3rn00dlEx View Post
    Hey guys. I was just wondering, I know you can manually connect to the farm they're organizing, but I'm curious about how hard it would be to use a college server to conduct these attacks? I am strictly speaking hypothetically and out of yearn for information, but is it possible?
    It's not so much the server as it is the bandwidth for a typical DDoS. The reason you need many people is to flood the network - it's safe to presume Sony's bandwidth exceeds most typical large organisations (As it has to serve PSN etc..) which takes many many MANY connections to take out.

    10 people down 1 line is maxed out at 1 lines bandwidth
    10 people down 10 lines maxes out at 10 lines bandwitdh

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    I bought my PS3 to play the exclusives. I was happy to pay for my online services, but now I don't care. I won't use an online service of a company that is as hypocritical as sony. For instance, they tried to shut down discovery in the otherOS case while thriving on it in their own case against geohot and failoverflow.

    Putting up with hypocrisy for the sake of playing online is basically telling sony that you will lie down and take their crap because you agreed to the PSN TOS. Personally, I wont agree to it because they can alter the system anytime they please if you do sign on. No thanks.

    You guys that haven't should read through the replies on the PSN blog. They are lumping everyone who hacks their systems into the same boat. That is the ignorance I was speaking of. The people that blindly support a corporation without thinking with their own minds are just taking up space. And to think, most of them are the next generation.

    I won't lie down and conform. Once you start doing what big business wants you to, you might as well and go work for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realee View Post
    It's not so much the server as it is the bandwidth for a typical DDoS. The reason you need many people is to flood the network - it's safe to presume Sony's bandwidth exceeds most typical large organisations (As it has to serve PSN etc..) which takes many many MANY connections to take out.

    10 people down 1 line is maxed out at 1 lines bandwidth
    10 people down 10 lines maxes out at 10 lines bandwitdh
    I understand that better now thank you. But my question I guess now is while I understand it's not so much the server, college campus's have a lot of bandwidth to go around do they not? Would it require controlling each individual PC, or just the server (seeing as how it is what everything connects to) to use for the attack? A coordinated college attack would be pretty sick to see, especially from the liberal colleges.
    Quote Originally Posted by plaguereign View Post
    I won't lie down and conform. Once you start doing what big business wants you to, you might as well and go work for them.
    But that is what they want isn't it? We already do what big business wants us to, we follow the system. If they could hire all of us, they'd be uber-thrilled, as they would now control our salaries, and slap us with a contract that leashes us to the master. Because what would we possibly do without our precious salaries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xUb3rn00dlEx View Post
    I understand that better now thank you. But my question I guess now is while I understand it's not so much the server, college campus's have a lot of bandwidth to go around do they not? Would it require controlling each individual PC, or just the server (seeing as how it is what everything connects to) to use for the attack? A coordinated college attack would be pretty sick to see, especially from the liberal colleges.
    Same principal more computers, more resources. One machine (albeit a server) still has a limit to the amount of data it can send/receive. For a successful (basic) DDoS attack the greater the number of machines from a greater amount of locations will always trump large sites.

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    I think a lot of people are missing the point of the attack. If you say that that it does nothing but piss off the legitimate gamers who are trying to connect to the PlayStation Network, then I agree with you. Keep in mind that probably greater than 80% of the people experiencing problems only know they cannot connect. What are the outcomes?

    1) They keep trying, eventually connect and forget about it.

    2) They get pissed at Sony, decide not to buy items from PSN any more and Sony loses money.

    3) They investigate why they cannot connect, find out about potential hacker group causing the problems and catch something about Linux and open source software on the PS3. This helps them understand and learn what they have lost or never had the privilege of trying on the PS3. They might learn more of the real reason behind all of this.

    4) They read the word hacker and get pissed at all hackers with their sites set on Anonymous. This leads to them vowing vengeance on the hackers' first born. After searching for anonymous for many years, they realize that they used up so much time searching, they neglected their PS3, costing Sony revenue and ultimately helping the cause.

    Of course, it does not matter because Sony released a new TOS saying that their console expired after not being online for more than a year. There choice is to pay an activation fee or not agree and your PS3 will only be allowed to play Sony Music CD and Movie DVD releases. (<---- This item is a joke, for those with their underclothes too tight!)

    Rock on!

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    For anyone that thinks this is over: [Register or Login to view links]

    As far as I'm concerned, I hope it lasts weeks though I should point out that PSN has NEVER actually been a target but a few auth + store servers have been (which would have a negative impact on PSN)

    If you do have problems accessing PSN call Sony and ask them why, after all it's not like they'd intentionally lie to their customers to keep it quiet.

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    Update #2: Anonymous have now issued another Press Release essentially stating that they plan to cease the attacks on Sony but intend to pursue other ways of getting Sony's attention.

    Update: [Register or Login to view links] reports that Sony has now stated the following to their PSN customers regarding the recent attacks, to quote: "If this is indeed caused by such [an] act, we want to once again thank our customers who have borne the brunt of the attack through interrupted service. Our engineers are working to restore and maintain the services, and we appreciate our customers’ continued support."

    As a follow-up to our previous article, today PlayStation LifeStyle (linked above) interviewed the Anonymous hacking group that has been attacking Sony who states the worst is yet to come, while [Register or Login to view links] has shared a fix for those experiencing issues with PSN.

    From the PSL interview: "So far, all Sony has seen from us is poking and prodding. A simple salute to let them know, we're coming. Make no mistake, what you saw today and thought to be frustration is merely preparation for what's to come. We said, expect us. Counting us out, would be a mistake.

    For the sake of not shooting ourselves in the foot, I won't comment on specific operational tactics we may or may not employ here. I will however say, that if Sony thinks LOIC (Low Orbit Ion Cannon) is the only trick in our hat... they're in for a hell of a wake up call. We're really going all out for this one.

    There are many different faces to the operation. Something we encourage is creative thinking. To the consumers I would say... Before you judge us, take the time to understand us."

    Anonymous have also made available a new video (below), issued a Press Release admitting that hacking PSN isn't a good idea, but posted what appears to be a list of demands, to quote:

    "1. Sony must allow for end-user modification of the PS3, as was available prior to the 3.21 firmware update.

    2. Sony must end any attempts to bring legal action to alter a product they own.

    3. Sony must not pursue legal action against any collected IP address."

    Finally, to quote from KickArss.com on the PSN issue fix: "Here is an alternative: Go to Network Settings - Internet Connection Settings - Custom - Select your connection method - Manual Settings - Scroll through until you get to DNS Settings - Select Manual - Enter 8.8.8.8 for Primary and 8.8.4.4 for Secondary.

    Now we should let you know beforehand that this is not a proven method and what is doing is redirecting the DNS (Domain Name Service) from the original PSN servers to google's DNS servers. 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are the ip addresses for the official Google DNS. A DNS converts ip addresses into readable website names and assists in related network traffic. According to reports of a good number of users, the fix seems to work for some but not for others."














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    I'm sorry to say with all the power and knowledge of these hackers couldn't they try attacking something worthwhile like these stupid terrorist websites or video links. Seems to me the priority is little switched around. Nevertheless Sony has overstepped their boundries, shame no legal way is winning the arguement for consumers.

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    This gives Sony all the more reason to start charging for PSN, as they recently implemented this into their TOS: "SNEA, at its sole discretion, may modify the terms of this Agreement at any time, including imposing a fee for creating PSN accounts."

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    Sony have always been planning an introduction of fees to PSN, The only reason its still free is they need to draw from the live market. And when it happens people have only themselves to blame, if it weren't for people massively uptaking such ridiculous schemes they wouldn't exist.

    Just look at live, a few years ago the thought of paying for multiplayer after paying for a game was absurd now people pay for multiplayer, addons, patches and whatever else publishers can think of to further monetise their IP's. Stop paying for stuff that used to be free!

    PSN+ is just the start.

 

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