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    8-16 gb of ram compared to the current PS3's "256MB XDR Main RAM, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM" is a huge difference but the current A10 models (130$) are not powerful at all. They barely compete with intels i3 series. Also the integrated GPU can't really work as the main GPU in my opinion. It needs a dedicated GPU as well.

    I mean the console is going to cost at least 400-450$ upon release. A BluRay player costs about 50-80$ max. Let's say the mainboard costs 100$. And an SSD HDD could cost about 120$-200$ depending on the size. This would add up to about 400-510$.

    Sony always produced products which were very innovative. When I think about the first release of the PS3 that console went for 699$.

    I don't really believe any of these rumors are true or even if they are true the PS4 is still in planning phase meaning Sony still didn't decide on what kind of features it will have.

    The current information states that the PS4 won't provide nothing more than a more powerful multicore CPU/GPU and more memory. The PSN/SEN has also been redesigned so there's nothing new here aswell. A BluRay player which is 10 years old technology.

    I had hoped we'd have holo discs by now. Though this wouldn't work because of a 256 gb HDD limitation. Ah yea the newest thing and probably the most useful feature will be USB 3.0 ports.

    I hope that at least we will have the option to store games on external drives but thinking of Sony's paranoia they won't do that.
    And considering the lifetime of an SSD HDD they'll have to be changed in 3 year cycles.

    I wonder if in future there'll be less porting issues when consoles become smaller "gaming/entertainment only computers".
    Thought it'd actually be sad if Sony would sell a desktop computer and call it a console.

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    looks like the ps4 (orbis) could be a pretty powerful piece of tech. the amd a10 architecture is pretty let down by pcs, since the operating systems are optimised for intel systems, and the inbuilt cpu/gpu isnt really totally catered for.

    I assume Sony has worked alongside AMD to get the best performance from this technology. and since amd is a whole lot cheaper than current intel, or cell processors, i just hope were gonna get a lot of power for very little cash. as for the 8 to 16gb of ram , well we all know thats not going to happen, thats only whats in the dev. units, it is definitely not what will go into the retail units.

    ive got to say im glad to hear it will have a bluray drive, since nothing better has come along yet and i was expecting them to produce a discless system with psn downloads only. The fact that the Blueray drive is there can only be a good sign.

    It was also good to see that system updates would still be able to be optional through turning off background update downloads.
    Looks like the Ps4 is going to be as much fun to play with as the ps3

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    Haha, why would Sony purposely include something that many users want

    Hopefully, there will be another commercial about if they decide to though

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    hopefully due to the amd a10 architecture, devs can use standard pcs with blueray drives to find exploits etc. or at least lead to greater possibility of an acceptable working emulator.

    i just cant wait to get my hands on one. (it sucks to be a tech junkie)

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    Quote Originally Posted by azrayl View Post
    8-16 gb of ram compared to the current PS3's "256MB XDR Main RAM, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM" is a huge difference but the current A10 models (130$) are not powerful at all. They barely compete with intels i3 series. Also the integrated GPU can't really work as the main GPU in my opinion. It needs a dedicated GPU as well.
    A lot of your assumptions are false. A bluray player will cost Sony at MOST $20 They haven't said they're using an SSD at all and I doubt they are because 250 GB is way expensive in that format, but dirt cheap in regular HDs. Like, $20 again. Keep bulk/direct purchase prices and not retail.

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    I'm skeptical if only because it's VG 247. They seem to pull these supposedly "huge rumors" out of their rears, if only to rake in a ton of pageviews and back links. If this is false, they'll totally get away with it because no one will go back to them and point out how what they said was BS.

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    The OS is not optimized for Intel CPUS, it's optimized for x86/x64. The A10 is using Intel IP in it for the x86 and all Intel CPUS use AMD's x64. AMD's chips are simply not as good as Intel's and have not been as good for several generations. The A series are really low end units. I suppose they are reasonable for a console, but they need to be tweaked for tech savvy people to get excited about them.

    What happened to the Cell chip? Are they dumping the whole thing? I am very skeptical of this. I don't really doubt the 8gb ram too much. Dram is cheap and console ram is going to be a cheap variety of dram. Though consoles designers do split nickels when spec'ing the unit out so I could see them dropping it once the whole thing is optimized.

    If this is the best they can do, I would like to see them wait a year or two more. The Ps3 sucks compared to the gaming PC I have hooked up to my TV. As it should because my ~ 1.5 yr old GPU cost more than a PS3. But it doesn't suck so much that I never use it, because I am playing AC3 now on it, when I could be playing the PC version in a few weeks.

    There isn't much of a wow going between the 2 systems. It's 1080p with better AA,AF and draw distance vs. 720p. I notice the difference, but how is the mass market gamer going to notice this? What is going to make him or her want to plop down several hundred dollars on a new console? And what is going to make them pick PS4 over WiiU and Xbox1080?

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    Hooo! super powerful stuff, damn I just got a ps3 in my life and already a ps4 is coming. For some is good, for some is bad, but something tells me that is gonna be expensive as hell!

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    Well played. I personally hate Halo as well, Fable and Alan Wake are pretty great games however, but you can find those on Steam and play them on a gaming PC or really just a plain old computer. The Kinect games aren't really what I would consider exclusives but, eh, I guess they count. Most of the exclusives you probably mean though are also available on PC, and they're not even first party titles.

    I just think Microsoft needs to step there game up - but why should they when they're making tons of money sponsoring Call of Duty and such that everyone wastes away their money on? Long story short, I'm ranting because Microsoft isn't very original but makes endless amounts of money while Sony is probably the most creative of the three and they're making the least amount of money because of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by tilla View Post
    A lot of your assumptions are false. A bluray player will cost Sony at MOST $20 They haven't said they're using an SSD at all and I doubt they are because 250 GB is way expensive in that format, but dirt cheap in regular HDs. Like, $20 again. Keep bulk/direct purchase prices and not retail.
    He's also wrong about the A10's power - the "integrated" GPU performs about on par with a Radeon HD 7670 and is much, much more powerful then the intel i3's integrated GPU - and, remember, we're talking about a gaming console here.

    We're not going to be multitasking like crazy and rendering videos - part of why I think the 8-16GB of RAM is completely unneeded but also the CPU isn't used for much in gaming, especially considering how powerful CPU's are today and the fact that games are using them less and less as GPU's advance even more. Oh, and here's a video comparing the A10 and i3's performance in some games and benchmark applications (Actual video starts at 0:40):



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    Rumor: PS4 (Orbis) Details Revealed by German PSM3 Magazine

    A few weeks ago we reported that on the rumor that PlayStation 4 developer kits were shipping and based on the AMD A10, and now PSM3's German edition (via [Register or Login to view links]) has shared some new PS4 (Orbis) rumor details below.

    To quote from Gameranx.com (linked above): "First off, the magazine states that the PS4 won't even be named the PS4. While it will still have the "PlayStation" name attached to it, there won't be a number 4 next to it.

    The reason is that the number 4 is pronounced "Shi" in Japan and in Chinese. "Shi" also has the same sound as "death" so that makes it a very unlucky number for a lot of people in the world. It's so reviled that "many hospitals in Japan have therefore no room with the number 4 or even a fourth floor - similar to a few high-rise buildings in the West no 13th Floor have."

    The PS4's codename, which is now known as Orbis, could even be part of the final name. For the rest of the details, read on below (via NeoGAF).

    Second Games of the first generation will look like the high-end PC demos on watchdogs and Star Wars 1313 or Square Enix's Luminous tech demo.
    • PS4 demos to be shown by Sony at E3 2013th
    • PS4 games will not run well at 4K 'Ultra HD' resolution.
    • The standard resolution of the PS4 should be at 1080p and 60 fps.
    • If 4k can be used, then probably only for videos.
    • Used games are not readily run on the PS4.
    • Sony is planning certain protections in the PS4, including perhaps an online pass or something similar.
    • The memory should be at 4GB to 8GB
    • The PS4 will probably have 4GB of memory, but in the end could have 8GB: If the Microsoft Xbox 360 successor have 8GB memory, then Sony would be put under pressure and should follow suit.
    • 16GB flash memory are planned.
    • The PS4 will not be backwards compatible with PS3 games.
    • Games need to be registered to PlayStation Network account.
    • The paid premium service PlayStation Plus will be an important pillar of the PS4.
    • Every PS4 should be shipped with a PS Move compatible controller and camera.
    • Classic games will be available via cloud gaming (Gaikai).
    • "In-Game" Advertising is to keep on the PS4 collection.
    • The console will use an AMD Accelerated Processor (4 cores). The chip carries the code name "Liverpool" and is produced in a 28-nanometer process.
    • The PS4 will cost about EUR 400 to EUR 500 in Europe, where Sony has here probably expect to lose.

    According to the post, Sony has not commented, denied or confirmed the info listed above."

    From Gsak (via neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500106) comes another translation as follows:

    Forecast: Details about PS4 from PSM3 Magazine

    16.11.12 - The British magazine PSM3 has published in its latest issue a report on the PS4. In it, the magazine has compiled all relevant notifications to next generation console from Sony and talked to developers and other sources.

    1. The console does not mean PS4
    • The PlayStation brand will be present in the device name, but not the 4th
    • The number 4 in Japan is pronounced "shi". "Shi" also means death. Many hospitals in Japan have therefore no room with the number 4 or even a fourth floor - similar to a few high-rise buildings in the West no 13th Floor have.
    • The code name of the console is - as reported - currently Orbis and could perhaps later be part of the final name.

    2. Games of the first generation will look like the high-end PC demos on watchdogs and Star Wars 1313 or Square Enix's Luminous tech demo.
    • PS4 demos to be shown by Sony at E3 2013th

    3. PS4 games will not run well at 4K 'Ultra HD' resolution.
    • The standard resolution of the PS4 should be at 1080p and 60 fps.
    • If 4k can be used, then probably only for videos.

    4. Used games are not readily run on the PS4.
    • Sony is planning certain protections in the PS4, including perhaps an online pass or something similar.

    5. The memory should be at 4GB to 8GB
    • The PS4 will probably have 4GB of memory, but in the end could have 8GB: If the Microsoft Xbox 360 successor have 8GB memory, then Sony would be put under pressure and should follow suit.

    6. 16GB flash memory are planned.
    7. The PS4 will not be backwards compatible with PS3 games.
    8. Games need to be registered to PlayStation Network account.
    9. The paid premium service PlayStation Plus will be an important pillar of the PS4.
    10. Every PS4 should be shipped with a PS Move compatible controller and camera.
    11. Classic games will be available via cloud gaming (Gaikai).
    12. "In-Game" Advertising is to keep on the PS4 collection.
    13. The console will use an AMD Accelerated Processor (4 cores). The chip carries the code name "Liverpool" and is produced in a 28-nanometer process.
    14. The PS4 will cost about EUR 400 to EUR 500 in Europe, where Sony has here probably expect to lose.

    Sony has not commented or confirmed the information.

    Finally, from [Register or Login to view links] to quote: Hi everybody and Happy New Year !!! We expect many great things for the new year.

    To inaugurate the new year we have some new info about the next generation console manufactured by Sony: Orbis.

    In this case we have the earlier roadmap.
    • 2011 June/July – PC with Win7 64-bit and a “jailbroken” ATI r9 graphics card
    • 2011 Sept/Oct – PC with Win7 64-bit and a “jailbroken” ATI r10 graphics card
    • 2012 Q1 – disclosure to more developers
    • 2012 E3 – potential unveiling window start
    • 2012 Jul – devkits for engineers writing OS
    • 2012 Q3 – first true hardware prototype devkits
    • 2013 E3 – potential unveiling window end
    • 2013 Q4 – launch

    Rumor: PS4 (Orbis) Details Revealed by German PSM3 Magazine

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