speaking of the ps3 demo units, WE GOT OUR PS3 AND WII UNITS IN WEDNESDAY!! the ps3 was up for thursday, and the wii was up for friday.
to my surprise, there was no line for the ps3, with the controllers dangling most of the time, however, you would be blind not to notice the line for the wii. again, in our area we are the first one to receive them, so...
we also got our ps3 games in (dont know about wii's) and found out we are getting 2 of each ps3 (4 total, 2 cheap ones and 2 expensive ones. i thought it was 2 total)
Now, if you (isohaven) are no longer getting a ps3 based on the reviews, then your dumb. not litterally of course (well, maybe) but get a system based on the kind's of games you play/what the system has to offer. if the ps3 truly doesnt have anything that excites you, then dont get it. if you want the games coming for it, then the choice is obvious which console you should get.
and wowchamp, the games take that long the first time you run them, not the first time you turn it on. and when i say first time you run them, i mean first time you run the game while the data isnt on the hdd. same thing with the xbox (doom 3 again) if you play doom 3, turn it off, and turn it back on- you wont have to wait for it to copy the data to the hdd again. however, if you play doom 3, then halo 2, then doom 3 again, youll have to let the data load again (doom 3 is about a 3-5 min wait too)
now, the difference is in the size of the ps3's hdd. i dont know how much is set aside for this information, but we were told you should be able to have 3-5 games cached on the 20gig hdd, with around 15 on the 60. so if you playing the same few games all the time, then the loads wont be an issue, however, if you get 10 games, and play them all randomly, then it will probably bug the crap out of you.
but hey, that's just me. the graphics are better, but there arent any games on the system to justify spending 600$ on one right now. in a few years, i may get one. but right now when you cant get one anyway, i'm not gonna even bother looking at it.