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    Banned Gamer Alleges Sony Violated Free Speech & Stole Money

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    A PlayStation 3 gamer has [Register or Login to view links] (PDF) in U.S. District Court in California, alleging that SCEA suppressed his free speech rights and caused him pain and suffering by banning his account on the PlayStation Network.

    In a complaint filed on July 6th, Erik Estavillo of San Jose writes that he is disabled by a variety of disorders; among these are agoraphobia, a fear of crowds, to quote:

    The pain and suffering was caused by the defendant, Sony, banning the plaintiff's account on the PlayStation 3 Network, in which the plaintiff relies on to socialize with other people, since it's the only way the plaintiff can truly socialize since he also suffers from Agoraphobia...

    Estavillo's issues with SCEA apparently stem from his play of the PS3 hit Resistance: Fall of Man:

    The ban is supposedly due to the behavior of the plaintiff when he plays the video game "Resistance: Fall of Man," which Sony owns and employs moderators for its online play. These moderators kick and ban players that they feel are deserving; though their biases to a player seem to be what determines the kick or ban...

    The plaintiff was exercising his First Amendment Rights to Freedom of Speech in the game's public forum when he was banned from, not only [Resistance], but also banned from playing all other games online via the PlayStation Network...

    Estavillo also claims that the PSN ban amounts to a theft of his pre-paid points:

    The plaintiff... cannot access [his] money when a moderator from Resistance and Sony gives a player a arbitrary wide-range ban... which in essence, is stealing money from the player.

    Estavillo also argues that the EULA for online play of Resistance is ineffective in blocking players under the game's recommended age of 17, although it's unclear how this fits into his claim.

    In his request to the court, Estavillo, who appears to be unrepresented, asks that SCEA be enjoined from banning players. He also seeks $55,000 in punitive damages.

    To date, SCEA has not filed a response with the Court.

    Banned Gamer Alleges Sony Violated Free Speech & Stole Money

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    Hahahaha is this guy for real?, I mean is he seriously saying that Sony has suppressed his free speech rights because his account got banned? Hahahahaha, I wish I lived in the US just so I could see this case unfold

    And he seriously is seeking $55,000 in punitive damages, clearly the main line which you need to read in this story is:
    Quote Originally Posted by Chivafighter View Post
    In his request to the court, Estavillo, who appears to be unrepresented
    Because clearly this is just a frivolous lawsuit, by somebody who is pissed off that he got banned from an online game.

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    Estavillo also claims that the PSN ban amounts to a theft of his pre-paid points:

    The plaintiff... cannot access [his] money when a moderator from Resistance and Sony gives a player a arbitrary wide-range ban... which in essence, is stealing money from the player.
    This is a far from a frivolous lawsuit. In fact I had been wondering when this issue would come up. If you have $1,000 in a bank and you swear at a teller, they can't steal your $1000. Yet, if M$ or Sony doesn't like you, they can ban you from Live/PSN and keep $1000 in points. That is very clearly illegal and if he gets proper representation, I could see this turning into a class action lawsuit very quickly.

    Then again, maybe M$ and Sony return your unused points with a phone call. I don't keep balances in either account and haven't been banned either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    This is a far from a frivolous lawsuit. In fact I had been wondering when this issue would come up. If you have $1,000 in a bank and you swear at a teller, they can't steal your $1000. Yet, if M$ or Sony doesn't like you, they can ban you from Live/PSN and keep $1000 in points. That is very clearly illegal and if he gets proper representation, I could see this turning into a class action lawsuit very quickly.

    Then again, maybe M$ and Sony return your unused points with a phone call. I don't keep balances in either account and haven't been banned either.
    I'm sure that Sony have set down Terms and conditions about this sort of thing, Terms that you agree to when you sign up, its no way the same as coming up to a teller and swearing at them and losing $1000 to them, that would be blatant stealing. Their has to be a reason for the ban and we do not know what it is, the forum is a public place anything you say or do can be read by anyone, its the same as running out in public and letting people know your views, im sure someone will call the police and you will be forced to leave the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3M0N2009 View Post
    I'm sure that Sony have set down Terms and conditions about this sort of thing, Terms that you agree to when you sign up, its no way the same as coming up to a teller and swearing at them and losing $1000 to them, that would be blatant stealing. Their has to be a reason for the ban and we do not know what it is, the forum is a public place anything you say or do can be read by anyone, its the same as running out in public and letting people know your views, im sure someone will call the police and you will be forced to leave the area.
    I am not so sure you are right. Its the same thing that was talked about in the thread where home managers threatened ppl who aren't following their eula. Banning someone from your service might be in your right but keeping their money i would think should be illegal regardless of whatever eula u signed. Police can remove you from a public area? more like ask you to keep it down if you are being noisy

    MS should have a worse time at it with their ridiculous bans. Banning a whole console, banning for names etc.

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    In these situations the companies say "Thanks EULA". Besides, if he got banned is because, very likely, he deserved it. And the money issue, well, I think he will only get his money back and that's it.

    (I know a lot of people at HOME who should get banned too )

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    All I have to say is read the "Terms of Use". Sony clearly states that they can terminate your account with no warning to you, and do so without giving you your money back. On top of that, when you sign up through your internet provider they are required by law to make you agree that should you either A:Threaten other people, or :B Do any act that is against the law. They can disable your internet service.

    However if this guy wants to know what true suffering is, then he should have been raised by my parents. I'm sure he would love to be locked up for 2 weeks in a room without anything in it (Besides a blanket).

    My point being.... I am tired of people claiming that they suffered because they have a mental disorder or something to that effect. I have OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) and when it is bad I can't have anything out of place or it bugs me, Should I file suit because burger king doesn't clean their machines very well? No... no I shouldn't. because unlike this Bozo I know that the world doesn't revolve around me, and I have to take chances.

    Also note that I used my self as a example because if I picked the worst possible situation I can think of (What I tend to do when trying to get a point like this across) I am likely to make some people sick, which is not what I am trying to do.

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    you guys know that thing that you have to accept that no one reads? its called a ToS and EULA, and it clearly states in it that if your banned because sony staff see fit. thats it game over flock off and go cry in a corner. If i recall correctly any and all network points and games purchased also become property of Sony Computer Entertainment. he doesn't ave a leg to stand on.

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    The EULA is NOT law and can be challenged.

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    The tide may be turning. Earlier this year, a California appeals court struck down a mandatory arbitration clause in T-Mobile's EULA. In that case, Gatton v. T-Mobile, the court decided that, because the agreement was written by a party with superior bargaining strength and the customer was given no ability to negotiate—just a simple yes/no choice—the contract was unconscionable. To which I say: Well, duh—what took so long?
    Another decision that should be of particular concern to PC Magazine readers was handed down recently in New York State. Blue Coat Systems had decided it could contractually forbid customers from criticizing its products. It did so by inserting an "antibenchmarking" clause into its EULA. Seems it didn't want any customers comparing its proxy servers with the competition's. The state attorney general's office filed suit, at which point Blue Coat quickly settled, paid a small fine, and removed the clause from its contracts. Amen.
    An interesting thought: [Register or Login to view links]

    Now comes the interesting part, you take the product home and try to install it on your computer and the EULA comes up and the product will not install until you agree to the EULA. Now remember, you already legally own the product, and because this action would be considered "Duress of Goods" (the software company will deprive you of the software unless you agree to the EULA), this additional contract is not legitimate for this reason.
    ---- most software is like this?

    Whether he will win is another matter, but if he can prove that he was banned unfairly and that they did in fact "rob" him, then he has a chance i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    Whether he will win is another matter, but if he can prove that he was banned unfairly and that they did in fact "rob" him, then he has a chance i guess.
    yes but you agree to conform to there rules in order to use a service they own.

    when you rent a car you sing a contract stating blah blah blah. if you throw up in the car they take yours say... if you agree its a LEGALLY binding contract. same deal basically.

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