PS3 JIG Pictures Surface, PlayStation 3 Service Mode Tests Begin

just maybe boss, just maybe we could actually get somewhere this time :)

This sounds like a maybe we could be almost there.

I wouldn't hold your breath, but it would be useful if Sinnerman leaked some internal pictures of the PS3 JIG device. :wacky:

We've had the software files and operation documentation for ages, but thus far nobody has leaked pictures of what's inside the JIG itself. :cool:

interesting, but at first sight, you look must open the console to make jig operation.. wrong ?

Yeah, it is wrong, looks like the USB connector for the Card Readers (just not a FFC) as the Jig can is done via front panel USB. If the system is really busted, then its put on a bed of nails, and fixed that way!

For what it's worth, this is what Sinnerman posted about those other two pics:
Hopefully he will post some more... I know SKFU said he didn't want to post anything himself yet until he chats with Sinnerman.

Ok thats for me the first and only really thing from SKFU that can be very interesting.
Again "No offence meant" but NOW he shows what great hacker he are.In case of the last infos he posted, im sure the things he saied are true but they are useless otherwise he woud not gived away to normal users.

Than to claim me a "lame Pirate" becouse i only want backups for free and not a whole week later a leak like this.If he can finish this project and we are able to use the Service Mod and/or can make our own retail ps3´s to debug one so, what he think what will we do?.....or better say the whole world?

Sure we will use backups...every single one who readed this thread will do so.

Anyway thats a real good and great project and i wish good luck to him to get this beast down.

Yeah most of the time such hacks, leaks, releases are useless no offence.

Q1 : We will use an extrenal device through USB port to convert to debug ?

Q2 : With debug , can we run our code + backups without any limitations ?

Q3 : What features a Retail has that Debug don't ?

Both of these we probably shouldn't rehash here, as they are already covered extensively in the PS3 Debug / Test Consoles Forum here:

http://www.ps3news.com/forums/ps3-debug-test-consoles/

:arrow: Be sure to check the FAQ Sticky thread there by CJPC too! :tup3:

But isn't it useless until we have valid emails and companies?
and if we have it, it will be recognized by a sony server.

hello, i make some research about your question
i think yes, i have see pics about leaked jig software and something i know is visible the file APIDIO.dll require a hardware i know, i work on lan and if i recall, this file is used by CONTEC who purpose a kind of lan adapter.
i have read in this thread something about iphone confusion and i know better things on iphone.. just create a fake server is maybe the solution for iphone, the fact where you just patch the exe and add line about fake server in a specific file in winoows was used to make false authentification :p

Thats good , just don't feel like messing with the hardware of the beast , it bites :p

why do you think the major corporations have not caught onto little things like fake servers for authentication and what not?

i'm sorry, I've read this thread a few times ans i'm still kinda lost.

so far sinnerman has leaked more jig info/ pics/ tools
skfu has gotten a hold of them and is waiting till he hears from sinnerman before he releases any info.
since a pic is worth 1000 words i wouldn't dare try to decipher exactly whats going on although i do have a few ideas.

so in a nutshell, skfu has got access to a jig & we're suppose to wait on pins & needles until there's news of an update.

if someone would be so kind as to explain to me the importance of a jig to the average joe (even if it can be reverse engineered), if its to have access to a debug, it still wont do any good without an $dk, & knowledge of how to use it.

Just a thought

As far as I know, only Sinnerman has a JIG at the moment but I believe SKFU is assisting him (via Internet) to see if anything useful can be obtained from it... giving Sinnerman ideas on what to look for, experiment with and so on.

As to the importance of a JIG, well, this is covered somewhat in the PS3 Dev posts linked in the first post but in short some feel if the process can be replicated (overcoming all the obstacles along the way) then everyone can turn their Retail PS3 consoles into Debug ones.

Of course then they won't be able to run Blu-ray movies, etc but at least those who had the tools and knowledge could run their own code on them.

I wouldn't advise waiting on "pins & needles" as you put it though, only because (like most recent progress) if anything important surfaces it will likely be patchable and those who discover it won't release it publically.

Still, for general news updates it's interesting stuff... especially if some internal JIG pics surface. :cool:

At playforfun
but the ps3 is not so a crappy like the iPhone.Why?
Well to authenticate data for the ps3 per net sony use the puplic-key for it.Im sure you can do right now all this cuty iPhone baby hacking stuff also for the PS3 but the point you getting crying will be that the ps3 will not accept the altered data in case that puplic-key is missing!! :hitwall:

Would be too easy in case of ps3 my forum mate ;)

This is interesting news, but I'm a bit confused as to what good will those pics bring? I mean, it's not like ps3 devs will just look at the pic and figure out what circuit board they need to rebuild their own... or is it just to say "proof that we got access to a JIG" ?

Anyways, I was hoping that maybe someone could just sniff the USB data and be able to spoof/reproduce what is sent to the ps3 and write some code that 'emulates' the JIG, then I'd just be able to plug in my N810, turn its USB port into Host mode, run the little spoof program, and let my PS3 become service mode...

But what I don't understand is that thing about Sony servers and valid email... I really don't see where it fits in all that.. There's only one possibility that I can see, it's that each PS3 has a unique 'unlock key' that the JIG needs to send it, and by providing the valid email, the application requests that unique key from sony's servers depending on your serial number, and then it programs the JIG to use that key... if that is the case, then we are probably screwed as we wouldn't be able to replicate this unfortunately (unless someone gets access to sony's database and dumps it for us :D)

Anyways, I'd really like some more info about this in order to understand it.. I'll see if someone is available over IRC to discuss it :)

Thanks for sharing the news, it's awesome! :D

Hehe... ye of little faith! :D

You'd be amazed at how freaking smart and talented some of the PS3 Devs are... they just don't show it often publically. But yes, that is their intention exactly as they already have the software end and extensive JIG documentation covered, the hardware is the hurdle at the present time with the "JIG/Service Mode" research they have been doing the last 2 years.

If Sinnerman is able to leak some internal pics out (without losing his job) then it will definitely be a step in the right direction for the Devs who have been working on this.

i thought the firmware was on the hdd?

No it's a Nand Flash chip, just like the psp, except it's a lot bigger :hmm:

I dono belife that some PS3 "unique" key will be send.
So the app is a PC Win app and it will be used from PC.There is no one single data or anything else from the ps3 that will be send to sony.

There are a JIG reg file first to be entered.Than company,your name and your email addy.
Ok company name: Sony know who works for them and this will be the first step to show if this company is registrated by sony.

Your name: second step sony shows IF a mister "Xyzzy" will work for the registrated company.
Your mail addy: Maybe the mail addy of you in the company you work.Again a scurity step to verify you.
At last: The JIG reg file itself.Idono belife that the jig first is put into the ps3 to get this reg_______.jig.So if the jig is only a device than a second medium will be needed to transfare the data from the PS3 to PC and if the second usb port (on newer ps3´s) will be broken they are screwed.I belife that the reg file is given with the soft.Its one of the first security checks nothing more.

So if you get hands on the app you cant do alot without the reg file.But if you get hands on the tool and the reg file you still can not get a vaild registared reg file becouse your not a SCE company.

And dont forget what the JIG will do.Its a tool to repair/unbrick a PS3 console.That would be the same if the savemii dongle need to get the per console uniqu key to run.Ok its a total other security system but its not logical.Only think the moment now and let us think that the ps3 will give here unique key to the jig would this not be a mature security whole?

Becouse this moment the console only send here private-key and to snief it out would be not so a problem i think.And if the OS is broken its (i think) also not possible that the console load data from jig into ram and sign it with becouse (i belive) the importend keys does not left here place and as long the OS is broken the console do not a lot.Mainly nothing.Waiting to getting repaired :D

But i belive and trust in the talented and best dever´s in the console scene...the ps3news dev´s :chill:

Is that really the case? I backed up and replaced my ps3 HDD recently and it needed a firmware file to be on the HDD before it would restore the backup. It basically had to reinstall the firmware after the HDD that was in it before was gone.

Depends on the model, new PS3's has the majority of system code on the Hard Disk (hense, the format) old models (60/20 and some 80's) have it all on board on flash. New systems just have a tiny 16MB flash, enough for the bootloader, and a few other important things, and let the rest boot off HDD (and no, its signed, crypted, the whole chain of trust thing goes along with it etc)

Hasn't it been said those 2 connectors are just power connectors?

I've had a few PS3's in bits and have seen them plenty of times. One is from the PSU to supply the Wifi/Bluetooth board, and the other is the power supply for the BDROM drive...

yes its already been stated, but you never know if they have something to do with it. i know for example the first step to get the psp into a jig routine was to have a special battery connected to the power circuit.

Sorry if I ruin the fun guys, but that picture of the application looks fishy.
Sony wouldn't use incorrect capitalization on their programs, and on top of that, it wouldn't be that simple as 4 boxes.

Matter of fact you'd have to write in your PS3 Model, Serial #, etc in order to create the right jig.

All PS3's don't have the same hardware info, so the program would be HIGHLY more complicated than that. That looks pretty fake, and there are no actual jig pictures to back it up, so I'm not buying it.

If anyone can prove to me otherwise, I have my idea and it will stay like that.

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. :tup:

That being said, mine is that it's 100% legitimate based on other (non-public) material I've had access to... however, there is currently no way to prove it as you mentioned (until the source wishes to leak more publically) so for now I'd say it's best to just let them do their thing and see what develops. :cheers:

Keep in mind though, even if the best-case scenario ever happened (converting Retail PS3 consoles to Debug consoles) it would essentially be no different than buying them now...

Debug consoles have sold as cheap as $500 on our BST Forum recently, and the reason they dropped so much in price is because most have now realized they are not all they are cracked up to be unless you have access to lots of Sony $DK stuff and can actually code yourself. :wonky:

Edit: LOL that idiot Pirate just stole (without crediting the source) the JIG ID that was 1 digit off we posted. :lol:

Any news on this or the refence tool?

The reference tool is off-topic for this thread, and will only be discussed in our PS3 Dev area. I'm sure CJ will post some updates as time permits, but right now he's quite busy.

As for this JIG stuff, yesterday SKFU told CJPC that he's also been busy with work (I believe meaning real-life work, not JIG-related) so unless the leaker tests or leaks more (pics, files) it's probably not going anywhere fast. :wacky:

:idea: What we really need, that would bring forth a lot more progress than the JIG stuff, is a PS3 CECHL Service Manual. We have many of the older ones, but are currently seeking that one. If anyone has access to it contact us, as several of the lead PS3 Devs would LOVE to get hold of it. This is currently the #1 priority internally for the resident PS3 Devs... which is why I was asked to mention it publically.

I have a bricked PS3 as many of you know for use with tests on the JIG if need be...

Cheers

Hehe, too bad that you'll probably wait a loot of time.. I think without internal "help" (leaks) from $ony, they can't do much about it. Reverse engineering, and especially software encrypted like PS3 OS, is not a toy.

Hope this leads somewhere..

Hay footylad, I don't know much about test/debug firmware, but you should try putting your ps3 into recovery mode to try to fix it. download firmware 3.01, and on root of hdd of your pc make a folder called PS3 then inside of that folder make one called UPDATE and then put the file in it called PS3UPDATE.PUP (firmware file).

You will need powerISO program to burn it to CD so that you can burn it with the folder setup. In powerISO go to ACTION then go to ADD FOLDER then go to the PS3 and click OK and burn the CD. this video from youtube shows how to use the CD after.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ju2Cus9Kc[/youtube]

Unfortunatly, I bricked mine at 1.85 Firmware, well before Recovery mode was even coded for....

Footylad

Someone mentioned capitalization here and it got me questioning. Why DIDN'T they use capitals for Name, Company, etc ? Why did they capitalize the E in "E-mail" ? Have you even read the description ???

"You must send this name of file in your PC to your HQ by E-mail that you will get..."

Whoever coded the GUI sounds just like cfwprophet struggling with English. No offence, man. English isn't my native tongue either. But I'm studying it whenever I get the chance.

Thing is, I really started to wiggle my tail when I saw the combination of "PS3" and "JIG" but soon after reading a few posts I came to my senses... I truly hope this is real and not some Belazar scenario to get our hopes up in vain.