I think the developers can be much smarter in how they do the HDD install. It does NOT take 15 minutes to read 3 or 4 GB from a bluray disk. It takes much less to write it to a hard drive.
I think they should prepare a hard drive install pack, and just do a flat copy from disc to HDD. That would take 1/10th of the time than whatever method they're currently using. There's plenty of room on a bluray disk, so there's no excuse to not use it.
I think they should prepare a hard drive install pack, and just do a flat copy from disc to HDD. That would take 1/10th of the time than whatever method they're currently using. There's plenty of room on a bluray disk, so there's no excuse to not use it.
What a good idea. I remember the mandatory install on devil may cry. I was sooooo bored waiting. The only thing that would put me off is the size of the download. I've been on virgins watch list before for downloading too much so if i was to download a 4 - 6 gig file I'd get another one of those naughty emails. Ive changed providers now but don't want that again!!
Could the data be given away free on the front of the official ps3 magazine? You could install it early that way too.
Could the data be given away free on the front of the official ps3 magazine? You could install it early that way too.
Actually its a great idea ... But considering the size of the download and the connection speeds in other countries , it would probably take us a little over a week to download the whole file ...
I seriously doubt that, it takes me no more than 15 min. to download demos over 1gb from Psn and that's using Comcast. Fios is faster than Comcast so it shouldn't take as long. However, with Isps trying to place caps or limits on the amount of data we download a month I would rather prefer waiting for the game release so I could install.
great idea, though the 360 wont be mandatory since the core version never came with a hard drive.
Guys, please, I can't believe this. Why would you do such tricks (download installation file, ask Sony to prepare data discs for all readers of the magazines - but how many of them would actually buy the launched games). And more importantly - do you have nothing else to do during those 10-15 minutes of installation? Like taking a dog for a walk, talking to your spouse (or parents if you still live with them) or playing with your kid?
Worst case - start the installation and have dinner. Finish dinner, enjoy your crispy new game.
Et, voila - perfect solution (that's how I deal with it at least)
Heads up guys, life is not about complaining
Worst case - start the installation and have dinner. Finish dinner, enjoy your crispy new game.
Et, voila - perfect solution (that's how I deal with it at least)
Heads up guys, life is not about complaining
yea its not that bad of a wait,but if u put it on psn it would be way better to start ya game as soon as ya get it.good idea
If you're just staring at the installation for 15 mins, then you are probably doing something wrong. There are lots more less boring things to do in life. 
Something I don't get. If you download the game, woudn't it need to install also. Therefore download+install time>install from BD-ROM?
What am I missing here?
What am I missing here?
From what I have read Burnout Paradise installs the whole world to the hard drive while you are playing as its faster to stream from the HD than the BluRay.
It comes down to developers being clever in the way they install the game, I personally wouldn't bother downloading the install package if you are going to have to sit through the install anyway.
It comes down to developers being clever in the way they install the game, I personally wouldn't bother downloading the install package if you are going to have to sit through the install anyway.
Hmm, people could have the option to download the install data in advance from the PSN, say a week before. This way on the day people can pick up and play straight away. Or if some of us don't want to use up bandwidth or for whatever reason, then the install data would be on the disc anyway. The disc would check on startup if the data is already ther (like it already does) and if not then it installs from disc.
You cant avoid having to sit through the install process but wouldn't you rather do it a few days before rather than wasting time on the day your latest classic game arives??
You cant avoid having to sit through the install process but wouldn't you rather do it a few days before rather than wasting time on the day your latest classic game arives??
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Something I don't get. If you download the game, woudn't it need to install also. Therefore download+install time>install from BD-ROM?
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personally, i think its a great idea, but not as necessary as its led to believe. the wait times arent that long, and you can be doing other stuff meanwhile. you shouldnt be watching the screen go from 49% to 50% (w00t halfway there!) a watched pot never boils, they say.
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Worst case - start the installation and have dinner. Finish dinner, enjoy your crispy new game. Et, voila - perfect solution (that's how I deal with it at least) Heads up guys, life is not about complaining |
But still.. good idea neverthless.. though i dont thinki mind the wait time that much... even with MGS4 which has load times between each act.. its handled very well. Maybe thats wat the game devs hould be copying rather than just putting the uploads on the servers to download.
This would actually be a great idea. It could be similar to how steam allows users to pre-load their games before they come out a few days in advanced. This could also help pave in the idea of digital distribution for games where you can pre-load your games a few days before and then activating the game on launch day allowing you to play without no need to go but the disc. Sort of like steam if you get what im saying.
I don't think anyone has suggested the following, which to me makes the most sense all round:-
Why don't sony update the firmware to allow BACKGROUND installs.
(Similar to background downloads)
Makes perfect sense to me - You just kick off the game install, then go play a demo or something by the time you've have a bit of a play your new game is installed.
Can't be that hard to do. Alternatively take the Criterion Games approach (Burnout Paradise) as has been suggested in this thread.
PSPSwampy.
Why don't sony update the firmware to allow BACKGROUND installs.
(Similar to background downloads)
Makes perfect sense to me - You just kick off the game install, then go play a demo or something by the time you've have a bit of a play your new game is installed.
Can't be that hard to do. Alternatively take the Criterion Games approach (Burnout Paradise) as has been suggested in this thread.
PSPSwampy.
I can see both sides of this argument, and while I sympathise with those complaining about install times and space. I am a relatively new PS3 owner but I have done some rather extensive research on the product prior to my purchase - it does appear that the games require content to be saved to the local HDD in order to access them more 'readily' afaik it is also a method designed to push buyers toward the larger console package (80GB Model).
However I have recently purchased Soul Calibur IV and did notice the extra HDD space taken by the installation files - while it is not an issue for me as I have installed a 250GB HDD into my PS3 I can see how this could potentially have a serious effect on those stuck with a 40GB drive.
As for the online solution mentioned earlier you would be suprised at the state of residential internet in some supposed 1st world countries (.au for example) it is still very expensive to obtain a 'decent' connection here (in comparison to other countries) and even those with access to nice pipes probably dont want to waste their precious bandwidth - espescially at 2-3GB average.
However I have recently purchased Soul Calibur IV and did notice the extra HDD space taken by the installation files - while it is not an issue for me as I have installed a 250GB HDD into my PS3 I can see how this could potentially have a serious effect on those stuck with a 40GB drive.
As for the online solution mentioned earlier you would be suprised at the state of residential internet in some supposed 1st world countries (.au for example) it is still very expensive to obtain a 'decent' connection here (in comparison to other countries) and even those with access to nice pipes probably dont want to waste their precious bandwidth - espescially at 2-3GB average.
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yes it probably would take longer. but the point is you download the game data before you actually buy the game. so maybe if like you plan to buy mgs4 you start the download from psn, go out to gamestop and by the time u get back you can just pop in the disk and play.
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Really this downloading preinstall data is a dumb idea. Most internet connections are slower than blu-ray transfer rates. Not only that but after downloading you would have to install anyways which takes more time. I'd rather wait 10 mins after putting the game in than 1 hour for it to download then 10 mins for it to install. Downloading on the PS3 sucks my rocks. It is really annoying that i cant turn it off like you can with the 360 and still have it download.
And of course any game you download from PSN needs installed. Why again cant it be like the 360 where as soon as its done downloading, i can play it? I'm so sick of the install screen and its not just for games that install data, everything has to freaking install.
Well the install data could easily be put in a demo and its not a bad idea cause most people don't do anything during their downloads. I for one tend to watch a movie or listen to music while I surf the web on my laptop. But for those people who don't like the installs you don't get how sony is compressing the files and during the install it is uncompressing everything. Microsoft might have their stuff uncompressed. But what does that mean if sony started leaving their stuff uncompressed? You would end up spending more time downloading the game which would the extra time would probably be more than the install time you hate so much.
And for those people who think that the install is just copying files off the BD I believe you are mistaken. I have 2 facts I would like to point out from my expirience.
1. Installs usually entail that there is a process of uncompression going on. This means turning smaller files into bigger ones so things load faster and don't hog the processor while being run. This happens a lot in gaming. (for example GRID for pc is a 6.5gb download yet when installed it takes up 10gb of data on your HDD)
2. The install process probably handles many small files. If you ever used a flash drive to copy data you should notice how copying one big file is a lot faster than copying multiple tiny files that total up to the same size.
And for those people who think that the install is just copying files off the BD I believe you are mistaken. I have 2 facts I would like to point out from my expirience.
1. Installs usually entail that there is a process of uncompression going on. This means turning smaller files into bigger ones so things load faster and don't hog the processor while being run. This happens a lot in gaming. (for example GRID for pc is a 6.5gb download yet when installed it takes up 10gb of data on your HDD)
2. The install process probably handles many small files. If you ever used a flash drive to copy data you should notice how copying one big file is a lot faster than copying multiple tiny files that total up to the same size.
The install times actually don't bother me much, I know its coming, i can hold on for those few more minutes.. good time to have a flick through the manual
It seemes to, that the ps3 is damn slow when installing or copying files. I wonder if that is coused by the standart hdd which is installed. My question is: Will speed increase when im installing a bigger and faster sata Hdd?
Do anybody have a good advice for a new hdd. Is there a prefered model?
Do anybody have a good advice for a new hdd. Is there a prefered model?
I saw a post that mentioned that a faster hdd does not reduce install times that much, but can help to reduce load times.. so that wouldn't solve the problem, i guess it would be the method used to copy the files from bd discs to hdd.
Why dont they play say the intro movie or something and have the game installing in the background? Your game installs on the HDD without you waiting for it as such cos your watching the movie in the meantime, which gets your mind off of the lengthy install and onto more important things... your brand new game that you have been waiting months to play and cant stand to wait any longer while it installs!
